I like to have night sights on my firearm so that I can find it on the nightstand in the middle of the night. I think we have entered an era of trading marksmanship for more bullets. 's blog. That is as dependable and jam proof as they come! I considered the G23. 9mm is substantially less expensive, which affords greater opportunities for range time and training for most people “on their own dime”. The article’s title is “Why the Glock 23 should be your new carry gun”…. And if I could carry a 30mm chain gun concealed, that would work better than .357 Sig. Those two loads chronoed thru my OEHLER 35P were a 160gr hard cast @1490 fps/784, and a 140gr jhp @ 1427/633. I could quote some physics but the 45 ACP boys long ago changed the argument to one that favors their cartridge and I see that is continued in this article. – There is little to no noticeable difference in the wound tracks between premium line law enforcement projectiles from 9mm Luger through the .45 Auto. Obviously, your opinion will vary. The facts speak for themselves. Although I love Glocks, I plan to rent and try some of the newer Springfield XD series pistols my next trip to the range. The Mission of Cheaper Than Dirt! I gave my Glock 23 to my wife and now use my Glock 32 .357 sig as my carry pistol. The article ignores ammo pricing. The first shot hit so hard the target flipped all the way back and looped OVER TOP of the 2×4!!! It’s a training division report not available directly on the FBI website, but many other sites have seen copies and published the content. Sounds like you do something very few shooters actually do- accept the challenge to be all you can be. They are generally equal assuming modern expanding ammo (if you are stuck with ball, fat and slow is better, since the 9mm over penetrates in ball wasting energy). I have seen an increase in velocity, FP and penetration. You must be in the Phx area as I am. Gee, Einstein was right! I also have a large collection of Glocks myself, almost in every caliber and actively carry Glocks on and off duty. I am now looking forward to getting the 9 mm barrel, and magazines to try out as well. http://dev-migrationctd.pantheonsite.io/fence-buying-gun/ I do have a .40 barrel for my G31, though. My first Glock was a G23 Gen 3 and I still have it. Suggestions: Consider the Glock Model 19 in .9mm which is a good defensive handgun with proper personal defense or pre-fragmented ammo. Finally, I was able to buy a Blue Label Glock 23. Sorry, Bob, but this statement is a fallacy: “the fact remains the 9mm’s wound potential isn’t up to the .45 ACP.”. K then. Even my Carry weapon which is an S&W Shield 40. I say nonsense! I wouldn’t have it any other way. I have over 35,000 round through my model 35 shooting IPSC competitions matches and NEVER had a jam in a match or practice. If you’re a cop and you think every department should come up with magic money and equip their people with $2000-$2500 guns, each, as opposed to the $500 Glocks, don’t yell at this guy, write your own article about it! I keep a 32 rd spare in my vehicle too. Weak grip will induce stovepipes in the 9mm, whereas the snappier recoil of the .40 will cycle the pistol without fail. Glock, Sig, etc. The switch is good for about 3000 rounds, and can be replaced with a new one for about $10+ batteries. Your reply is short, simple, and yet so much more realistic than all the 9mm love and all these FBI reports. Glock 19 vs. Glock 23. However, if you're built lightly, a .40cal does have enough stopping power. The .40 was shoehorned into the 9mm frame in much the same manner and much the same problems surfaced. @Gunclub: Finally another 10mm fan has posted!! In today’s anti-police society, I feel I can reasonably protect my family with my Glock 23. In any pistol. The permanent wound tracks in gel between .40 and .45 are pretty much the same. In the case of the ,40SW SUB-2000, buyers hate them and are unloading them like a polyester 3-piece suit from the ’70’s. You can do some excercises to strengthen your wrist. But anyone worth shooting is worth shooting twice so it’ll work. LWDist. Many many tests have been done along with countless real life examples, that have left us with this finding. Comparing Glock-Glock-to-Glock as in this piece is nothing but sycophantic, and has no perspective at all. Sig Sauer was everything to me. Does it really make sense that a 9mm Glock would have the same recoil spring as a 357sig or 40 S&W One would think that either the spring would be a bit heavy for 9mm or light for 357sig or 40 S&W. I took a look for myself. Without being combative what is journalism? http://dev-migrationctd.pantheonsite.io/guns-beginners-choosing-firearm/ I also have the G26. Then I shot a glock 30 and was in love all over again. Safe shooting everyone:). U HAVE TO CARRY WHAT U CAN SHOOT WELL – not what power factor people talk about. I have added a few results garnered from experimentation with water from 21st Century Stopping Power, Paladin Press. I have a Glock 29 if I need something more concealable in 10mm. Various loads demonstrate excellent wound potential. I have thought of buying a G23 to go along with my G19 and adding a 9MM barrel just as I did with my G27. when you can have three for a couple hundred dollars more? The Smith & Wesson .38 Special handled well and was mild to fire. The 36 and 23 now alternate as my carry weapons, depending on the situation. Glock 22 vs. Glock 23: Which Gun Take The Title as the Very Best? That is if they didn’t drop dead first! So if you shoot someone with a 9mm, and then a .40S&W, the 40 will do more damage because it’s a wider bullet with more powder to push it’s extra weight. No Ejector change needed! In my opinion, totally asinine but if this is true, then go with the Glock Model 36 in .45 acp. 9mm is my champion – cost of ammo, availability of ammo, availability of firearms, controllability in carry situations outside of home protection and you are already familiar so at home works if it works for you, Power factor Is negated if you cannot control a 45acp but the 40 is just a smidge more weight, power but less control. I love mine, and have bought a 357 SIG barrel for it, and plan to buy the 9 mm barrel in the near future. I went over there and I see what you mean. There are loads in .40 that will eclipse the .45 ACP in power factor, but who cares? Thread Tools. We could debate which has better stopping power all day. He never said you HAVE to use a Glock. I think it’s up to the individual shooter and what he or she shoots well. There is only one trigger action to learn. now owns. I felt that a single stack handgun did not offer me enough protection for some situations where I might be out numbered. Im saying: 230 grain at 875 fps. If I invent a fish magnet that brings all the fish direct into my net, will I be rich ? He told me to put a Stainless Recoil Spring in it, which I did. Any difference is not going to be signification enough to make a difference in the chaos of use. In the end, we have to look at the market. From sun rise to sun set. The platform has proven to be reliable and Glock’s pros are winning more than their share of competitions. The original 158-grain RNL .38 load was often called a “widowmaker” because it failed the officers carrying it. How do you think about the answers? A baseball is in-between. EDC Subjective Power factor – duh, 23 wins but if you cannot control/dont practice except qualifying then if you hit – its more power but control on the firing line is well, controlled. SS1, Is a three or four round reduction in carry capacity worth the relatively useful but unpredictable increase in muzzle energy? 9mm/.40/.45/.357sig; I’m honestly sick of hearing it all. I agree with you that if you’re going to buy a Kel-Tec Sub-2000, it’s best to buy a 9mm to stay on target and have more rounds. I firmly believe it a political correct report so woman and small men can qualify with their firearms. I have used my gen 2 G22 frame for well over 8 years with a 9mm conversion barrel and mags and it has never failed to eject a 9mm casing. By your logic, those would be acceptable carry weapons. I’ve never had a problem with jams with the G19. conversion barrel for my Glock 23. I bought a Glock 23C and put in a #15 spring and stainless rod rather than the plastic I also put in a slide buffer. Dumb luck I guess. It is a well-balanced and reliable handgun, and it is all Glock. Everything I’ve said here can be said for any auto pistol caliber. Hunting: is the 280 Ross safe to shoot as I heard that the bolt can shoot out into your face . I also spent around $130 for a 9mm drop in barrel for the 23 converting it into a 19 same pistol 2 calibers thinking of getting a .357 SIG barrel also much cheaper than getting 3 pistols…. After all, doesn’t Obama (you know, the guy who is feared and hated by this crowd on these forums) run the FBI?….LOL. It would be exactly the same, just shorter barrels. which has worse recoil? PETE: I don’t know where you get your figures for the .357, but you damn sure not gonna get 600 fpe from ANY 4″ .357.using factory ammo. It won’t hurt your bank account so it’s practical to shoot. Western Revolver-9mm, at my renewal, I used a Glock 27, with an extended grip, increased rounds from 9-15! If your grip is steady it lights up as a small red dot, but it you jerk the trigger the it will light up as a streak, instead of a fine dot, letting you know that you you need to work on you trigger pull. Now let me get this out of the way: I know the 229 is also available … Good luck and be safe. (2) Since you can't use hollow point bullets in Jersey, a bullet with a larger diameter would be more effective. We all know it does not matter how big of a bullet you send down range if you don’t hit the target. The 40 really is the best of both worlds though. I believe the 10mm moves into deer killing capability inside of 50 yards, which makes the 10mm a go anywhere do anything handgun. A 9mm Gen 2 Subby sells for at least $100 to $150 more than the .40S&W on GunBroker. You can sign in to vote the answer. Also the 9 mm round is more lethal in a carbine than a handgun, due to the longer barrel. Please click the reload button and complete the captcha once again. Point you can’t beat a glock no matter what caliber just control it. Low calibers have very high pitch levels as opposed to. Larger bullets (with more weight/mass) carry their energy a wee bit longer, and in many cases they penetrate deeper. I noticed when shooting hot 357sig (1400-1500 fps) ammo, the slide was bottoming out. It’s also great for low light conditions. Out of four people whom I spoke to about this redundant issue that work in the force, two of them use .40’s while another who is retired daily carries a 1911 .45ACP. If that’s true, then you must be very impressed. I thought well, if I like the 30SF so much, why not go to the .40 for a smaller carry size? We want you, our readers, to be able to make informed decisions. What am I missing? We reserve the right to edit as appropriate, delete profane, harassing, abusive and spam comments or posts, and block repeat offenders. I prefer to carry a small 3 1/2 in. The Glock 23 isn’t for everyone, but which handgun is? With those kinds of numbers, it would be irresponsible if we did not dedicate a lot of coverage to Glock. AS far as the FBI report that 9mm meets or exceeds LEO requirements, I don’t believe the FBI report. Just stands to reason that the benefits of a .40 S&W round get over looked. I thought it was mass x velocity SQUARED devide by 2 or the constant. Joined: Nov 8, 2014 Location: Texas Hill Country. In United States engineering units, particular care must be taken to ensure that consistent units are used. I regularly carry a G17 and a G22 (no, not at the same time). If I want something small, I carry a Glock 26. Also, we use high-powered rifle rounds to take game because we expect (and intend) to only take one shot. The 40 recoil impulse is different from the 45 and the 9 mm. Are you so tired of hearing about Glocks that when a cop writes an article saying, “Hey – you should try this Glock 23 out” that you immediately hold onto your super expensive Kimber Ultra II with both hands and yell, “Why do I HAVE to? check out the new GLOCK 43. I almost went deaf from the piercing sound. The Glock Models G19, G23 and G32 are simply somewhat shortened versions (both barrel and grip) of the basic Glock full size service pistols. With its capability to be converted to 9mm and.357 Sig in less than a minute, it has become my number 1 all around handgun. Thanks for sharing with us. The Glock is easily field stripped and maintained. As a LE Officer, Range Instructor and Certified Glock Armorer, I’m just saying that just because you have been doing it doesn’t mean that is the way it is supposed to be that way. They include in 40 S&W the models 22, 23 and 27. Both are great rounds but there is no question that the 40 is on average 25% more powerful, Put a 20lb spring in the Glock 23 and it is about as easy to shoot as the G19 with no reliablity issues. A 45acp seems to lob large projectiles in there when you are talking 50 yards. I have bought a G19, 31 & 20 since. The .40 caliber Glocks can always be down-sized to fire the Nine with a conversion barrel, but the Nines can’t be up-sized. I do have the LaserLyte 40 Cal training cartridge, and love to train with it between trips to the range. Comment on 25 yards if possible. The same ammo advancements that improved 9mm also improved .40 cal and .45 ACP. Finally added an extended slide release for convenience. It apparently is not important to Glock as it’s about the only thing they haven’t changed in all the Generations of product that they have produced. Unless you've got weak wrists, I wouldn't really worry about the amount of recoil from these two rounds. The GLOCK 32 Gen4, in .357, introduces revolutionary design changes to the pistol that offers a unique combination of versatility, convincing ballistics, optimum carry comfort, and the GLOCK pistol reliability. Model 27 23 22 and a 17 just to use 9mm ammo. Yes, I would like to receive offers and newsletters from Cheaper Than Dirt. It would be a shame if this is true as it then taints the Blog as a whole for everyone. Yet, a study by the Feds some years ago confirmed what many harness cops already knew. In my example, the action is fast and light enough at six pounds. Plus, another big factor at least for me, is price. I put reflective tape on my old range targets bulls eyes so that it will light up when I hit my mark dead on. Capacity makes no difference if you can’t make accurate hits. Upon retirement I had to turn in my G19 since I couldn’t afford to purchase it. In any case, the gun holds 18 of those. Home » Firearms » Why the Glock 23 Should be Your New Carry Gun. Join Yahoo Answers and get 100 points today. The newere release with the beavertail backstraps reduce the flip. Glock 32: The .357 Sig compact version which will have less recoid than the .40 S & W simply because the .357 Sig is commonly only available in two bullet weights: 125 grain and 147 grain. Get your answers by asking now. Not an issue when it comes to EDC ammo, but I try to attend at least one high round-count class each year and the price difference becomes noticeable then. 40 or .44 and .357. It functions like a dry fire “Snap Cap” that fits in your barrel just like a round, when you pull the trigger the laser comes on for 1/100 of a second and lets you know if you hit your target. I have 500ft/lb+ loads in in my G34 which group at about 1.75″ at 45ft (in my modest efforts of a Weaver stance, not bench rest; seriously, what good is bench rest in practical use?!?!?). If ever you get the chance and inclination you might give a 23 Gen 4 a try. 0 I own 7 different S&W 40 pistols and have no problem with accuracy or follow up shots with any of them. With a Glock, it is true that you can more or less be sure that it will go bang when you need it to, but handguns in general aren’t that effective compared to long guns. When I carry I want a gun which will give me enough firepower if needed, is light enougth it doesnt feel like your a carrying a brick on your waist and a weapon that doesn’t “print” on your clothing as you carry concealed. m is the mass of the bullet. If you,ever run some max loads in 45 through a glock 21 you will be amazed at the difference in the cartridges. The 9mm size handgun is ideal for carrying and for hand fit. The 40 gives more reliable stopping power and the recoil is about the same. I have been surprised at the popularity of the Glock 19 9mm versus that of the Glock 23 .40S&W among civilian shooters. Self preference comes with experience with each of these firearms. It definitely is an unusually powerful mid size frame. I think you have convinced me. Lmao some ppl as far as common sense lol. However, I wouldn't worry about the recoil difference. ... 23 [82], 32가 출시되어 있다. The only 9mm I own is the Glock 43 because I’m Florida sometimes I need to go a bit smaller. Energy (work) = force * displacement While recoil energy may be calculated, the easiest way is to calculate power factor. Cheers – it means everything to some and nothing to as many so everybody have a nice day and opinion, ÔÇ£So we have a pistol that hits harder, but kicks harder. Mainly increased the stock size for my large hand, and now is quite comfortable for me! When there are ammo shortages, the G 23 gives you three ammo options by changing out the barrel, etc. I also hunt a lot, and have seen the 44 Magnum (loaded very hot) NOT put down a hog when shot in the heart at less than 15 yards. It appears you thought this through well. I bought a G29 in 10mm & loved it. The Glock 23 features the typical Glock double-action-only trigger. It is no 10mm, however, a demonstrably superior round (and one of the few pistol rounds not better measured by how bad it is rather than how good it is). True to the fact, you can shoot faster with a 9mm. Recoil is greater. I own a Gen 4 Glock 23. Both are 10mm. As for myself and always on my own time and my own dime- and often in uniform when I could- it is the cocked and locked Colt 1911 .45, Government Model. I see so many complaining about the recoil of the .40 and slower follow up shots, less capacity blah blah. It has functioned flawlessly with all 3 calibers! Johnny that’s cool that you own so many Glocks and CZ’s. It has been widely know that many LEO’s could not qualify as well or at all when switching from 9mm to .40 cal’s. Inside 50 yards, the energy doesnt drop much inside that range, and still penetrates quite effectively. Not only do you get more capacity, but better accuracy, more controllability, and a less steep learning curve. Buy the Model 32 and order the extra barrel in .40 S & W which will just drop in. No more trouble!, and it shoots smoother and with less recoil with the 9 or 40’s running through it. I love how the G27 shoots with or without the G23 mag. Actually carry the full size 15 rd spare. LOL). Should you count calories when trying to lose weight? The IMI Baby Desert Eagle Compact in all steel, .40 SW, is another excellent choice. The Glock model 32 Glock is in 357 Sig caliber, and it nearly duplicated the .357 magnum revolver round. Many shooters find themselves choosing the 9mm if they want a lot of shots and the .45 if they want knockdown power. You need to place accurate and deadly force upon the target, regardless of repeated, exact shot placement and these Gov. (The PF isn’t the whole picture—the full-size Glock 21 .45 is among the easiest-kicking handguns in the Glock line due to size and weight.). I must say that the 23 quickly became my favorite. I am certain a .45 can be made as light as a 9mm, but the .900-inch long cartridge case demands a long grip frame.
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